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Joka | Subject: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs |  |
| 1/ Having created a test, using 26 Multiple Choice and True or False questions, I came across a bug that affects the order of display of ordered questions (ordered in a sequence different to creation order). When previewing the test (as an instructor, using Manage…) [/tools/tests/preview.php] questions appear as they should, in the designated order. But, when trying to use the test [/tools/take_test.php] questions appear in their creation order; plus, only three out of the 26 questions are printed out to the screen. This needs urgent fixing. 2/ There is a glitch in the code of [/tools/tests/preview.php] that needs fixing on line 47: if ($row['random']) { needs to be replaced with: if ($test_row['random']) { --- operating system - MacOS 10.3.9 version of ATutor - 1.6 versions of php - 4.4.1 version of mysql - 4.1.13-standard webserver & version - Apache/1.3.33 web browser being used - Firefox 2.0.0.11 for Mac Posted: 2008-02-08 08:52:45 | ||
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greg | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| Random does not apply to the instructor preview. I am unable to reproduce the first problem. Random seems to be working fine on my local version and on the atutor.ca demo. I can't explain why on three of the questions are showing up. The number set when you select the random test option, should be the number that appear. Posted: 2008-02-08 10:15:53 | ||
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| Joka AT16TestBug.zip | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| Just to make things clear; there is no link between the two bugs I mentioned. As to 1/ - Here's a screen printout (file named: PreviewMode.pdf) of my test in preview mode, and a second file (file named: TestMode.pdf) that is the printout of the test in test mode. The test does not use randomized questions. [Files will show up after unzipping: AT16TestBug.zip] Test parameters: Link From The My Courses Page- Yes Anonymous- No Allow Guests- No Display- All questions on one page Release Results- Do not release results Randomize Questions- No Posted: 2008-02-08 11:54:05 | ||
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harris | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| Just curious, have you experienced this in 1.5.5? Posted: 2008-02-08 12:57:51 | ||
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| Joka | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| Hi Harris, No, I haven't noticed this in version 1.5.3. (Sorry for the late reply). I have continued probing into this problem and I can definitely confirm that question ordering is not functioning properly. I do hope that the programming team runs a thorough test on ordering of questions (random and using ordering in test questions [/tools/tests/questions.php]. Both the preview mode and the actual test need to be checked. If anyone else has come across similar problems (or wishes to test ordering/random ordering of questions in the Tests & Surveys module) please share your results by posting to this thread. Posted: 2008-02-10 05:30:03 | ||
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| gtriant | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| I noticed the same problem too. Have you been able to reproduce it? Posted: 2008-02-11 05:26:39 | ||
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| greg | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| Hi Joka Preview mode will not give you a randomized test. It will only show you the whole test. It is only there so the instructor can see how questions will appear. Regarding ordering, I still can't reproduce this. I've tried creating a new test. In my case I added ten question to the test, then took the first two question and move them to the 9 and 10 positions, then took the original last two questions and moved them to the 1 and 2 positions. Then taking the test, the order of the questions is as they should be. Try reproducing the problem on our demo site, and if you can, describe the exact steps so we can reprodcue the problem ourselves. Posted: 2008-02-11 09:24:36 | ||
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| gtriant | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| I reproduced it in the demo site. The thing is that it must be sth pretty weird. I reproduced at first (creating the test 'Order Questions Test' and the ordering problem whien the student was to take the test occured again as in my installation. Then I created 'Order Questions Test2' in order to take screenshots of the steps for you, to post them here and it didn't happen this time!!! However it still happens in 'Order Questions Test'. You can try it there... Posted: 2008-02-11 11:30:05 | ||
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| Joka | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| Thanks Greg T.! Apart for the malfunctioning routine to reorder the question, all selected questions show up In the "Order Questions Test". That is better than what I have on my installation, where only the first three out of 26 show up. That may be some sort of a clue to what is going wrong. Let's hope that someone in the team can figure this one out and come up with a bug fix. Posted: 2008-02-11 11:54:42 | ||
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| greg | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| Unfortunately we can't spend anymore time investigating this. All of our tests have revealed no problems. Free help here is costly for us, and we can only continue for so long before it cost become excessive. If it were a common problem everyone was experiencing, that would be a different case. We could spend ages trying to track down a problem that is specific to a particular system configuration, time better spent doing actual development. The only way we could continue is if someone were to come up with the steps to reproduce the problem, or if someone wanted to pay for our time. Regarding only 3 questions, I would guess that there might be some foriegn characters in the last question displayed of the three, or in the question that would normally appear forth. This often occurs when one pastes content from other editors into ATutor. I would suggest reviewing the questions in the test for potential misintrepreted characters, and retyping the question. Pay particular attention to non-alphabetic characters, like dashes, underscores, question marks, accents, etc. Posted: 2008-02-11 12:21:27 | ||
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| gtriant | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| Last time I bother you about this (although I consider this to be help) In the demo site: Course: 'Any Business' (http://www.atutor.ca/atutor/demo/bounce.php?course=44) There is only one test there. Try changing the questions order a couple of times if you are intrested in seeing the bug (which by no means is plarform dependent). I would love to help out more but i dont know anything about php. I am using ATutor for a client of the company I work for. I dont use ATutor for my purposes, just as an employee. I can't even suggest a donation. Anyway my job is done and I am simply intrested in helping out right now. Posted: 2008-02-12 03:49:04 | ||
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| harris | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| Thank you for the information. Did you create the test order in say, A B C, then take the test without submitting. After that, did you altered the order to say, C B A, and then re-take the test. The test should now be in the order of "A B C" because the order was saved when you started the test. After you submitted the test and retake it again, it will be in the order of "C B A".
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| Joka | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| I can perfectly understand choices of priority; nevertheless, I would like to point out the importance, in my view, of spending a day to rewrite some sham code that is not echoing to the screen a reordered list whereas the SQL query is doing so fine in the preview mode. Getting back to my point; I teach Educational Technology and Open and Distance Learning at Avignon University (UAPV) where I use and demonstrate ATutor to undergraduate and graduate students. I also teach a distant learning course to 80 students a year at Paris 10 University (UPX) where I use ATutor with undergraduate and graduate students, all studying in our department of Educational Sciences. I was working on a questionnaire that I was intending to use in research that I am conducting at our research centre. The unfixed bug has made me decide to change tools as I cannot rely on the Tests & Surveys module. I was intending on using it in a 100 questions questionnaire. I cannot take the risk of finding the ordering messed up just because I want to change the position of one or several questions. I feel it is a shame to miss such opportunities, and wonder if the team at ATRC is aware that ATutor is not merely being tested by some institutions, but effectively being used by hundreds of students, consultants and guys who are also supporting it's development. This is also my case, as I have invested through translation tasks into French. You might want to take these points into consideration if you hope for the community working around ATutor to continue growing. This message is not directed at anyone in particular. I am simply hoping it makes us all aware of how deeply interdependent we all are in our work and hobbies. Posted: 2008-02-13 09:50:52 | ||
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| greg | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| I understand your sentiment. And we are aware how many groups and indivudals are relying on ATutor for a whole range of purposes. Unfortunately we work with a tight budget, and we are a not-for-profit organization, so we do not have a pool of money we can dip into to pay for time to investigate problems like this one. Between Harris and myself, we have already put more than a day's effort into trying to just reproduce the problem, with no success. The problem does not appear to be happening for most users. So until we can determine why it is a problem on your system, but not others, there's not much we can do. The only time we will login to a users system to investigate is when there is a support package associated with the server in question. Same goes for other service providers out there. They will charge you to investigate such issues. We have to charge for this type of work as well inorder to continue existing, and inorder to continue making our software available for free. We do provide the added benefit of free support through the forums, which you won't find with other service providers. We will try to help there, but when it become a burden for us, and starts to cost us money, we have no choice but to end the free help, or ask to be paid for our effort. Indeed this is a community effort. In cases such as yours, where the problem seems to be specific to your installation, or perhaps a small number of installations, we rely on community members to provide the fixes. If you can find a solution, we'll consider adding it to the ATutor source code. Posted: 2008-02-13 10:53:17 | ||
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| arnemho | Subject: Re: ATutor 1.6 Tests & Surveys bugs | |
| If you are asking for help, provide lots of detail so problems can be reproduced. Things to describe: Operating system ATutor is installed on - Linux ATutor version - 1.6.1 PHP version - 5.2.3 MySQL version -5.0.51a When I reorder questions in a test, it has effect only if I choose to set "One question per page" - and not when I choose "All questions on one page". I wonder whether it should be possible to reorder the questions also when 'all questions on one page' i chosen ? Posted: 2010-02-21 15:13:51 | ||
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